Brian Sauvé and Eric Conn, two far-right Christian nationalist pastors at Refuge Church in Utah, dedicated a recent episode of their "The King's Hall" podcast to discussing the murder of Iryna Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee who was brutally killed by a mentally ill Black man while riding a metro train in Charlotte, North Carolina earlier this year.
During the program, Sauvé and Conn—who are both aligned with racist Christian nationalist pastor Joel Webbon, having made multiple appearances at his conferences and on his podcast—blamed the murder on "black culture," and called for "rebellious" young Black men to be executed by the state, in accordance with the Bible.
"Let's say that somebody was coming into our church and they're Black," Sauvé said. "Would they be eligible for membership in our church? Yes, of course they would. They'd be eligible for membership in our church. But would they be permitted to participate in, embody, and practice what I would call black culture generally in our church? The answer is absolutely not. Why? Because the things, the characteristics that mark black culture [are] as a generalization in the same way Paul's talking about Cretans on Crete: They are evil, murderous, violent, bestial people; they steal, they kill, they destroy, they look like Satan in how they act, they are sinful to the core, they have besetting sins that are like fatherlessness, sexual immorality, they molest children at a high rate. Any criminal statistic that you could look at almost pretty much without exception, they excel at them, black culture.
"When we make this generalization, one of the purposes of it," Sauvé added, "[is] for policymakers to make the kind of political movements in terms of law and order that would usher in the change over time of that culture. One of them would be something like ... the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 21 concerning a rebellious child."
"I think it's something like five percent of Black males are murderers," Sauvé continued. "If you take that and then you took a law like Deuteronomy 21, which is a just law that got enacted through Moses; the law was that if you had a rebellious son, you have a child who's coming up into their manhood and they're rebellious, they don't listen—he lists some characteristics—and even though they're disciplined, they will not turn, he says the father is to bring them out into the town square, this is a rebellious son, and then they stone him to death. They kill him."
"And an armed robber would certainly be one of those," Conn replied.
"Oh, absolutely, Sauvé agreed. "Armed robber, all the ghetto culture; basically, take ghetto culture, it would describe this to a T. If you did that over three generations, how much violent crime would you have in the third and fourth generation? Much, much less."
"What we've done instead is we've actually, with unjust weights and measures, we have wildly penalized Whites for even virtuous acts in lawfare," Sauvé claimed. "Because liberals have appointed Blacks to positions of power, and they're practicing ethnic and racial in-group preference, like the several Black women who were involved in releasing Decarlos [Brown], the murderer in the city of Charlotte ... His younger brother was a murderer in prison. His father was a violent criminal. Okay, so there's two sons and a father. If they'd cut that line off back the generation or two before, there's no Decarlos to slit the throat."
"In this case, [we have] the double whammy of Black female judges [and] politicians who have appointed these sorts of people," Sauvé said. "If you look at who appointed the judge and the judge that released them, it's two Black women. And what did they do? They said, 'Oh, it's mental health, it's homelessness, it's this, it's that. It's not a criminal tendency of Black males that needs to be cut off through the wielding of the sword by the civil magistrate.'"